New money maker: Guild Sabotage? - Guild Wars Forums

Drakzel · Jul 13, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

So I sat out from GW for a little breather, only to come back to all my members being kicked from my guild. I asked what happened and apparently one of my inexperienced officers made the mistake of promoting a brand new member to officer status so he could "recruit his friends". The guy then proceeded to kick all of the members, and changed the announcement to "you kurzicks suck" before leaving.

We caught up with him later to find out that a luxon employees the guy to sabotage kurzicks, he gets in their guilds and reaches officer status to destroy the guilds roster, and he gets paid 10k for each guild successfully destroyed. The officer who made the mistake later talked about it in a district and also found out hes done it to other guilds. The person is now begging us not to report him, claiming he had nothing against us he just needed the money. Of course we have already reported him, but is that what this is coming too? Destroying communities just to get some quick cash, then claiming no responsibility because its "just their job"?

I'm not gonna go so far as to blame the Luxons of foul play since im only aware of one guy thats been put up to this, and im not aware if kurzicks are doing it either, but im starting to have my doubts in the community when people are paid to destroy guilds in a game, its just faction allegiance, do we really have to commit hateful acts for some money?

Smile Like Umean It · Jul 13, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

That really is a lame thing to do and the excuse that he did it because he needed money is even lamer.

Your officer should have never promoted him, especially if he didn't even know him. That was a bad judgment call on his part. If he wanted to get his friends recruited he should have got the names from the guy and did it himself.

Hopefully, you can rebuild and they guy did deserve to be reported, but I"m not sure if support will really do anything about. But perhaps they will if enough people report him. I have my fingers crossed for you that they do.

Also, you can't post other people's name without their permission, no matter what they did. So you might wanna edit that before a mod does.

Drakzel · Jul 13, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

My mistake, name removed, its easy to rebuild, ive already invited most of them back, I just wanted to make this guys little scheme known to people he might prey on next.

Yeah I did lecture the officer but I know hes new, no long lasting damage was done I just told him to watch it from now on, its not the fact that he kicked the people, actually its laughable since you can go to history and reinvite the ones he kicked, just makes me sick that hes willing to do such a lowly thing for a couple thousand gold.

Apparently he also thought ahead about reporting, he does the evil deed then gets his the money to his real account where it goes to fund his guild. Obviously its worth it to the poor guy to buy a new account just to destroy peoples gaming experience just for that instant guild funding.

Snow Bunny · Jul 13, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

You may choose to report him...or...find out who puts him up to it. While his greed may be deplorable, the insidious nature of the reason behind it is worse. Get him to get you screenies of him being asked to do this, and report the person that is asking him to do this. That might be better in a way...because the rationale behind it is really disturbing.

Drakzel · Jul 13, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

I'd have slim to no luck with that, hes eternally grateful to his employer so it would be very difficult to get him to rat him out, if the guy hasnt ignored me by now anyway.

JeniM · Jul 13, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Hmmmm i could use some cash
^ JOKE ^

That sucks, i can't believe people would do that for 10k, it can't even be profitable, all the time working to officer for 10k . . .
Also theres the moral grounds of how much you would be willing to destroy a community for . .
Third and most important its game money but there real peoples feelings and trust, is game money worth upsetting real people

Etta · Jul 13, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

You're too soft. Behead your officer and sent two deadly assasin after the Luxon's spy. Poison his toilet paper, when he done his No.2 he will be in world of pain. Wahahaha.

Ofcause you can also forget about it and rebuild your guild again. Nothing else you can do really, I doubt Anet will do anything as well. Hey! live and learn, right?

HuntMaster Avatar · Jul 13, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

i'v heard about this before. its a shame that player cant just work together. i'v also seen this done with the competitive areas like fortaspenwood.

luxons and kurzicks send members over to the foes team, then that person just stands there, allowing their friends to gain a much larger faction count and also aids in winning the battle. this is the reason i stopped farming factions.

i have been playing alone for almost 2 years now, Since i started. i have joined a few guilds, one of them scammed me out of platinum i got as a present from the guild leader when i first started. other guilds i have joined have been a waste of time. i'v had almost no help on missions or farming, i have to do it all myself or it wont get done, and i'v been stuck on the last missions of the games for awhile now.

its a big frustrating to have to play the game alone the entire time just to avoid conflict and verbal abuse. thats one of the reasons i hardly play anymore. i just hope that ArenaNet does something to help the players who just want to enjoy the game, and not get ripped off.

sorry to hear what happened to your guild. hope everything works out.

ShadowsRequiem · Jul 13, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Just report his ass

but IMO only promote guild officers you can trust, its your own fault for promoting someone who has not been part of your guild long enough or you have known.

We see quite a few ppl complain about this, and the problem can completely be avoided.

Drakzel · Jul 13, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

Just report his ass

but IMO only promote guild officers you can trust, its your own fault for promoting someone who has not been part of your guild long enough or you have known.

We see quite a few ppl complain about this, and the problem can completely be avoided.

As I said, It wasn't me, Im well aware of promoting who I trust, the idiot took advantage of a new player while I was gone. In the 2-3 days I was gone he befriended my officer who has been playing for 3 monthes now, and he preyed on his trust to get him to promote, figuring the guy wasn't going to do anything bad, but the officer nor the mishap that occured while I was gone is my real point here.

Alot of you guys seem to be saying theres nothing I can do besides report, and I'm well aware of that. I'm not appealing for sympathy, as I've already regained the members, and I'm not here to make you do something as you have no power over it. Neither am I here to ruin his reputation, as hes already doing a lovely job with that, I just want people to be aware of whats going on.

So please if you could, refrain from biting my head off, I'm just looking out for other people who might fall victim to it.

countesscorpula · Jul 13, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Talk about taking the RP aspect of the game a bit far. For those of us who've been playing a while, we know what it is to be in different guilds. After bouncing through a few rough ones I've learned that precious few should ever be given the position of officer. This is just one of the reasons why. Anyone concerned about "sabotage" should simply limit officer positions to those they can trust. It is understood in my guild that *I* am the only one who is allowed to promote people to officer. Period. Anyone screwing with this policy is likely to find the new promotee demoted and the promoter is very likely to join them. As leader it is your guild. You are ultimately responsible for what happens with the guild. You can choose to share some of the privilages, but the responsibility is always yours.

countesscorpula · Jul 13, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Drakzel

As I said, It wasn't me, Im well aware of promoting who I trust, the idiot took advantage of a new player while I was gone.

You need to ask yourself, "Why was a new player placed in a position where an idiot could take advantage of them?" If the new player didn't know the score, they shouldn't have been an officer.

Drakzel · Jul 13, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

It's typical, I come here to warn the community that I've been active in for awhile now, I use my incident as an example, and rather then getting the problem out into the public so people will be aware of it, people decide to flame and start turning this into the "Guild Management 101" topic. I don't need your advice or your help, I know how to run my guild, I just want to let people know what to look out for because I doubt hes done.

I've already solved my problem, the situation has been mended, and it is in no way the topic of this thread, so thanks for getting off the point. I'll remember the next time I wanna advise people what to avoid, It's best I just let them find out for themselves.

Arnack · Jul 14, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene.
Arnack

populationcontrol · Jul 14, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27

infiltrating enemy alliance guilds and sabotaging them, sounds awesome. if i ever buy factions im gonna form a soviet faction and train spies. you know from my point of view "war is violence, moderation is imbicility", awesome way to defeat powerful war machine guilds before even fighting them.

byteme! · Jul 14, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnack

Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene.
Arnack

Are you one of them?

populationcontrol · Jul 14, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

if you really want to be infiltration proof give up your aristocratic officer tittle, promote everyone to officer. that way, we are all equal...

Smile Like Umean It · Jul 14, 2007, 01:01 AM // 01:01

That is a bad idea for the exact reason you stated it would be a good one. You're all equal. Meaning they have just as much power as you. They can invite their asshole friends and grief or what until you're in matches and "accidentally" slip and cost you. If they're sneaky enough about it, it could take you awhile to figure it out.

Curse You · Jul 14, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

i'v heard about this before. its a shame that player cant just work together. i'v also seen this done with the competitive areas like fortaspenwood.

luxons and kurzicks send members over to the foes team, then that person just stands there, allowing their friends to gain a much larger faction count and also aids in winning the battle. this is the reason i stopped farming factions.

i have been playing alone for almost 2 years now, Since i started. i have joined a few guilds, one of them scammed me out of platinum i got as a present from the guild leader when i first started. other guilds i have joined have been a waste of time. i'v had almost no help on missions or farming, i have to do it all myself or it wont get done, and i'v been stuck on the last missions of the games for awhile now.

its a big frustrating to have to play the game alone the entire time just to avoid conflict and verbal abuse. thats one of the reasons i hardly play anymore. i just hope that ArenaNet does something to help the players who just want to enjoy the game, and not get ripped off.

sorry to hear what happened to your guild. hope everything works out.

Most of those people aren't saboteurs. They're lazy noobs who would rather use a macro/bot to get their faction than actually working for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnack

Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene.
Arnack

The EULA. You all signed it.

(d) Member Conduct. You agree not to use the Service to:
...
(ix) "stalk" or otherwise harass another member.

I think you could count knocking out guilds as "harassing" another member.

pamelf · Jul 14, 2007, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnack

Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss.
But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene.
Arnack

It's a bit of a tool thing to do, but it certainly brings about a sense of realism to the term 'Guild WARS.' I don't condone it, but you all have to admit, it was a great idea and business strategy. Although technically the guy is no shrewd businessaman...Being willing to do all that for 10k? Please...

I understand Drakzel that you don't want this turned into Guild Management 101, but the fact that it has is helping future Guilds avoid making the same mistake you did.

Lessons to be learned here: Only promote officers you know and trust, and don't take time off leaving your guild in the hands of 3 month player officers, then this situation can be avoided.

We appreciate the warnings, but we also appreciate learning the common sense to avoid them.

Jul 13, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40	#1
Drakzel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ring of Fire Guild: The Drunkards Of Vabbi [TDOV] Profession: R/Mo	New money maker: Guild Sabotage? So I sat out from GW for a little breather, only to come back to all my members being kicked from my guild. I asked what happened and apparently one of my inexperienced officers made the mistake of promoting a brand new member to officer status so he could "recruit his friends". The guy then proceeded to kick all of the members, and changed the announcement to "you kurzicks suck" before leaving. We caught up with him later to find out that a luxon employees the guy to sabotage kurzicks, he gets in their guilds and reaches officer status to destroy the guilds roster, and he gets paid 10k for each guild successfully destroyed. The officer who made the mistake later talked about it in a district and also found out hes done it to other guilds. The person is now begging us not to report him, claiming he had nothing against us he just needed the money. Of course we have already reported him, but is that what this is coming too? Destroying communities just to get some quick cash, then claiming no responsibility because its "just their job"? I'm not gonna go so far as to blame the Luxons of foul play since im only aware of one guy thats been put up to this, and im not aware if kurzicks are doing it either, but im starting to have my doubts in the community when people are paid to destroy guilds in a game, its just faction allegiance, do we really have to commit hateful acts for some money? Last edited by Drakzel; Jul 13, 2007 at 09:25 PM // 21:25..

Jul 13, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30	#3
Drakzel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ring of Fire Guild: The Drunkards Of Vabbi [TDOV] Profession: R/Mo	My mistake, name removed, its easy to rebuild, ive already invited most of them back, I just wanted to make this guys little scheme known to people he might prey on next. Yeah I did lecture the officer but I know hes new, no long lasting damage was done I just told him to watch it from now on, its not the fact that he kicked the people, actually its laughable since you can go to history and reinvite the ones he kicked, just makes me sick that hes willing to do such a lowly thing for a couple thousand gold. Apparently he also thought ahead about reporting, he does the evil deed then gets his the money to his real account where it goes to fund his guild. Obviously its worth it to the poor guy to buy a new account just to destroy peoples gaming experience just for that instant guild funding. Last edited by Drakzel; Jul 13, 2007 at 09:34 PM // 21:34..

Jul 13, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13	#2
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	That really is a lame thing to do and the excuse that he did it because he needed money is even lamer. Your officer should have never promoted him, especially if he didn't even know him. That was a bad judgment call on his part. If he wanted to get his friends recruited he should have got the names from the guy and did it himself. Hopefully, you can rebuild and they guy did deserve to be reported, but I"m not sure if support will really do anything about. But perhaps they will if enough people report him. I have my fingers crossed for you that they do. Also, you can't post other people's name without their permission, no matter what they did. So you might wanna edit that before a mod does.

Jul 13, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32	#4
Snow Bunny Alcoholic From Yale Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]	You may choose to report him...or...find out who puts him up to it. While his greed may be deplorable, the insidious nature of the reason behind it is worse. Get him to get you screenies of him being asked to do this, and report the person that is asking him to do this. That might be better in a way...because the rationale behind it is really disturbing.

Jul 13, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51	#5
Drakzel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ring of Fire Guild: The Drunkards Of Vabbi [TDOV] Profession: R/Mo	I'd have slim to no luck with that, hes eternally grateful to his employer so it would be very difficult to get him to rat him out, if the guy hasnt ignored me by now anyway.

Jul 13, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58	#6
JeniM Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Profession: W/E	Hmmmm i could use some cash ^ JOKE ^ That sucks, i can't believe people would do that for 10k, it can't even be profitable, all the time working to officer for 10k . . . Also theres the moral grounds of how much you would be willing to destroy a community for . . Third and most important its game money but there real peoples feelings and trust, is game money worth upsetting real people

Jul 13, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36	#7
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	You're too soft. Behead your officer and sent two deadly assasin after the Luxon's spy. Poison his toilet paper, when he done his No.2 he will be in world of pain. Wahahaha. Ofcause you can also forget about it and rebuild your guild again. Nothing else you can do really, I doubt Anet will do anything as well. Hey! live and learn, right?

Jul 13, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37	#8
HuntMaster Avatar Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Around Guild: Pillar's of Earth [ROCK] Profession: W/	i'v heard about this before. its a shame that player cant just work together. i'v also seen this done with the competitive areas like fortaspenwood. luxons and kurzicks send members over to the foes team, then that person just stands there, allowing their friends to gain a much larger faction count and also aids in winning the battle. this is the reason i stopped farming factions. i have been playing alone for almost 2 years now, Since i started. i have joined a few guilds, one of them scammed me out of platinum i got as a present from the guild leader when i first started. other guilds i have joined have been a waste of time. i'v had almost no help on missions or farming, i have to do it all myself or it wont get done, and i'v been stuck on the last missions of the games for awhile now. its a big frustrating to have to play the game alone the entire time just to avoid conflict and verbal abuse. thats one of the reasons i hardly play anymore. i just hope that ArenaNet does something to help the players who just want to enjoy the game, and not get ripped off. sorry to hear what happened to your guild. hope everything works out.

Jul 13, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00	#9
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	Just report his ass but IMO only promote guild officers you can trust, its your own fault for promoting someone who has not been part of your guild long enough or you have known. We see quite a few ppl complain about this, and the problem can completely be avoided.

Jul 13, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16	#11
countesscorpula Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Gwen Is [EVIL] Profession: N/	Talk about taking the RP aspect of the game a bit far. For those of us who've been playing a while, we know what it is to be in different guilds. After bouncing through a few rough ones I've learned that precious few should ever be given the position of officer. This is just one of the reasons why. Anyone concerned about "sabotage" should simply limit officer positions to those they can trust. It is understood in my guild that I am the only one who is allowed to promote people to officer. Period. Anyone screwing with this policy is likely to find the new promotee demoted and the promoter is very likely to join them. As leader it is your guild. You are ultimately responsible for what happens with the guild. You can choose to share some of the privilages, but the responsibility is always yours.

Jul 13, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52	#13
Drakzel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ring of Fire Guild: The Drunkards Of Vabbi [TDOV] Profession: R/Mo	It's typical, I come here to warn the community that I've been active in for awhile now, I use my incident as an example, and rather then getting the problem out into the public so people will be aware of it, people decide to flame and start turning this into the "Guild Management 101" topic. I don't need your advice or your help, I know how to run my guild, I just want to let people know what to look out for because I doubt hes done. I've already solved my problem, the situation has been mended, and it is in no way the topic of this thread, so thanks for getting off the point. I'll remember the next time I wanna advise people what to avoid, It's best I just let them find out for themselves.

Jul 14, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01	#14
Arnack Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005	Excuse my form of "cruelness" but I think that is completely legit, if not a good way to make cash. Not saying I would do it.. but just think of it as a way to attack a guild... I am sorry to you Drakzel, for your loss. But I truly think it ads more excitement to the whole Guild scene. Arnack

Jul 14, 2007, 12:27 AM // 00:27	#15
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	infiltrating enemy alliance guilds and sabotaging them, sounds awesome. if i ever buy factions im gonna form a soviet faction and train spies. you know from my point of view "war is violence, moderation is imbicility", awesome way to defeat powerful war machine guilds before even fighting them.

Jul 14, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34	#17
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	if you really want to be infiltration proof give up your aristocratic officer tittle, promote everyone to officer. that way, we are all equal...

Jul 14, 2007, 01:01 AM // 01:01	#18
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	That is a bad idea for the exact reason you stated it would be a good one. You're all equal. Meaning they have just as much power as you. They can invite their asshole friends and grief or what until you're in matches and "accidentally" slip and cost you. If they're sneaky enough about it, it could take you awhile to figure it out.